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Offline SymonDrayson

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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2016, 05:59:45 PM »
I am sure there are plenty of helpful folks. :)



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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2016, 06:10:27 PM »
*sigh*  :fp

Well, we could use my old Star Trek character bio template if we want? Its still good enough. If that's alright. I mean, if you havent made a template yet? Also, about the "This is required" stuff, is not required  <P  :W

http://startrek.lostworldssff.com/index.php?topic=1380.0

Also, you still havent answered my question...for the XO thing   :Poke
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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2016, 07:02:10 PM »
The character template is pretty standard fare. Symon can look at it, add or subtract what he likes.


I'll archive all the Nexus stuff on Monday when I do the old SW stuff. Good enough?

I guess I'll be helping Mum then  :sam10
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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2016, 07:08:19 PM »
I don't know one way or the other about the "XO" thing yet. :P

I have only been on here for three days. I don't know people yet. :)

As for the template, I have one I worked on earlier today based on the one you had up already and one that I used elsewhere. :) But yeah, they are more or less standard pretty much everyplace.

Been looking at things and sort of planning things most of the day.


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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2016, 09:17:51 PM »
Before I write up a character, and well this is sort of what me joining the RP depends on.

How will ranks work?
IE could I make a Senior Chief Petty Officer, such as Miles O'Brian take a department leadership role? Like say Chief of Security? In which capacity he should be able to order Anybody below the Rank of and be equal to Lt Commander around with out actually being an officer?
As it seams to be the way it was allowed to work on DS9. (As O'Brian was the next in command following the other main characters even though we have seen other Star Fleet officers on board DS9.)

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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2016, 11:03:49 PM »
It is important to distinguish between rank and position. Rank is a service distinction based on experience, ability, and degree of responsibility. The position is a job distinction based on an individual's immediate responsibility and training.

Authority is first given on the basis of position, regardless of rank. Thus, direct orders from the captain of the ship take precedence over orders from a higher-ranking officer on board. Only if the captain is unable to function or unavailable will the orders of the ranking officer take precedence. Of course, a higher-ranking officer may be authorized to relieve the captain of his command.

That was an example using the Captain, but if you look at the first season of TNG (maybe it was second) Geordi was made Chief Engineer even though he was just a Lieutenant (might have even still be a Lt. JG), certainly there must have been other higher ranking engineering officers around, but because of his position as Chief Engineer, his orders would supersede any rank difference. Worf was at the same time made Chief of Security and again, he was just a Lieutenant, filling in for Tasha Yar, a Lieutenant.

At any rate, the answer to your question is that if your characters biography is written to justify the rank and the position I don't see a problem with that so long as no one else has one.

I am working on stuff for the game/story and have a thread for Character guidelines and the Character Template available. Things are still in the process of being organized.

http://startrek.lostworldssff.com/index.php?topic=2055.msg44367#msg44367

http://startrek.lostworldssff.com/index.php?topic=2055.msg44368#msg44368


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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2016, 11:23:10 PM »
It is important to distinguish between rank and position. Rank is a service distinction based on experience, ability, and degree of responsibility. The position is a job distinction based on an individual's immediate responsibility and training.

I am not saying this is wrong.

But the issue with this is, it means the only difference between say a Star Fleet Officer and a Star Fleet Enlisted person is that one went to the Academy.

Which is sort of what I was going to go for with my guy. If I made him.

Also Are MACO's a thing in your mind by this point?

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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2016, 12:18:07 AM »
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But the issue with this is, it means the only difference between say a Star Fleet Officer and a Star Fleet Enlisted person is that one went to the Academy.


That is the only difference more or less. When I was in the Army, the only difference between myself, a Sergeant, and the Lieutenant from West Point was he went to the Academy and was well versed in theory and I didn't go to the Academy but had practical experience. In so far as the game is concerned, it isn't a problem, there are Canon examples (Example: Chief O'Brien) of Senior NCO's having leadership positions.

As far a MACO's are concerned, the quick answer is no, they are not a thing at this point in the timeline. MACO as an entity was disbanded after the founding of the Federation. This ship will have a detachment of Starfleet Marines stationed aboard.


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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2016, 09:20:29 AM »
But they are a thing in STO which is considered canon. More or less.

Star Fleet Marines dont appeare in official canon so how would they work?

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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2016, 09:33:04 AM »
Starfleet Marines appear in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country as part of the proposed plan to rescue Kirk and McCoy from the Klingon prison.

For the purpose of this story I have Starfleet Marines assigned aboard the ship as they are the more 'elite' troops as opposed to the regular Starfleet ground forces as depicted in many episodes of DS9.


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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2016, 10:05:44 AM »
But how would their ranks work? do they use typical marine ranks, where would they come from? They have like one entry on Memory Beta which is the non canon source.  Could a Marine Officer or Non Commissioned Officer act as Head of Security?

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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2016, 10:32:53 AM »
Marine ranks are what you would expect: Pvt, PFC, Lance Corporal, Corporal, etc.....

The commanding officer or Executive Officer of a Marine Detachment (MarDet) aboard ship COULD potentially take over as Ships Captain in a dire emergency, however, since they will not have received training in starship operations that scenario would come about as a 'no other option' kind of thing.

As for holding a Department Head position that would not happen. Marines don't have the training in Starship Command or Operations (unless the Character switched from Starfleet to the Marines at some point). A marine would not be put in charge of Ship Department just like a Starfleet Officer would not be a Platoon Leader or Platoon NCO.

Aboard ship, the Marine Unit's Commanding Officer falls under the overall command of the Ships Captain, while command of the Marine Unit itself rests with the Marine Commanding Officer, Executive Officer and so forth down the chain of command. The Marine Executive Officer coordinates with the Chief Tactical/Security Officer (or the Strategic Operations Officer if one is present) but DOES NOT answer to them directly.

For an idea of how Starfleet Naval and Starfleet Marine ranks compare, A Starfleet Captain is equivalent in rank to a Marine Colonel.


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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2016, 10:55:27 AM »
Okay. I'll think about it.

So... How any Marines make up a ship board compliment as that would dictate the rank of the CO.

I am aware that a Colonel Matches with Captain but I meant the most scenior marine on the ship would be what? Is it like a case in real life where platoons could be led by a Captain, or is there a company on board headed by a Major or a Captain or dose it stick more solidly to what should be in command?

And as for those ranks. The Official Star Trek Wiki page says there are included ranks such as Sub Lieutenant, Lieutenant First Class and Lieutenant Second Class. where would they fall?

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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2016, 11:54:15 AM »
So just for general knowledge here is a list of Departments used aboard the U.S.S. Valhalla and available playable positions within each.

Command

  • Ships Captain
  • Executive Officer (likely filled)
  • Second Officer
  • Chief of the Boat

Strategic Operations Department

  • Chief Strategic Operations Officer
  • Assistant Chief Strategic Operations Officer
  • Strategic Operations Officer

Operations Department

  • Chief Operations Officer
  • Assistant Chief Operations Officer
  • Operations Officer
  • Quartermaster
  • Botswain
  • Transporter Specialist

Security and Tactical Department

  • Chief Security/Tactical Officer
  • Assistant Chief Security/Tactical Officer
  • Security Officer
  • Tactical Officer
  • Security Investigations Officer

Intelligence Department

  • Chief Intelligence Officer
  • Assistant Chief Intelligence Officer
  • Intelligence Officer

Flight Control Department

  • Chief Flight Control Officer
  • Assistant Chief Flight Control Officer
  • Flight Control Officer
  • Chief Support Craft Pilot
  • Support Craft Pilot

Engineering Department

  • Chief Engineering Officer
  • Assistant Chief Engineering Officer
  • Engineering Officer
  • Communications Specialist
  • Computer Systems Specialist
  • Damage Control Specialist

Science Department

  • Chief Science Officer
  • Assistant Chief Science Officer
  • Science Officer
  • Alien Archaeologist/Anthropologist
  • Biolgist
  • Language Specialist
  • Stellar Cartographer

Medical & Counseling Department

  • Chief Medical Officer
  • Chief Counselorr
  • Assistant Chief Medical Officer
  • Medical Officer
  • Counselor
  • Counselors Aide

187th Marine Raider Company

  • Company Commanding Officer
  • Company Executive Officer
  • Company First Sergeant
  • Tactical Support Officer
  • Intelligence Officer/Specialist
  • Platoon Leaders
  • Platoon Sergeants
  • Marines
  • Medics

Civilians Pre-approval only.

This is not an exhaustive listing of positions as departments such as Science and Engineering have a WIDE range of specialist positions.


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Re: Star Trek reboot
« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2016, 12:28:02 PM »
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So... How any Marines make up a ship board compliment as that would dictate the rank of the CO.


For the purposes of this ship and story the 187th Marine Raider Company is comprised of 4 Platoons and a command team totaling 125 men and women). This is considered an 'under strength' company as it's size has been reduced. In the game it will likely be commanded by a Captain or 1st Lieutenant.

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And as for those ranks. The Official Star Trek Wiki page says there are included ranks such as Sub Lieutenant, Lieutenant First Class and Lieutenant Second Class. where would they fall?

For this ship and game, I have chosen a simplified rank structure for the Marines. There are two or three separate 'accepted' rank structures used across various sites and games.

Line Officer/Warrant Officer

Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Major
Captain
1st Lieutenant
2nd Lieutenant
Chief Warrant Officer
Master Warrant Officer
Warrant Officer 1st Class
Warrant Officer

NCO / Enlisted

Sergeant Major
Master Sergeant
Gunnery Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
Sergeant
Corporal
Lance Corporal
Private First Class
Private


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